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    October 10, 2021

    Crusader Kings Is it just me or is my vassal really pretty

    Is it just me or is my vassal really pretty

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 06:24 AM PDT

    Have you ever got roasted so hard that you just die?

    Posted: 09 Oct 2021 08:16 PM PDT

    By Allah... this looks like something out of a horror movie. Look at those beady eyes. Scheming, Waiting...

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 08:01 AM PDT

    I can't be that bad... right?

    Posted: 09 Oct 2021 09:08 PM PDT

    Early Austrian Empire!

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 03:47 AM PDT

    When your Kingdom is so small, that it is just a single county

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 10:02 AM PDT

    COA patterns for faith icons before a patch that made them all display as 8-pointed stars

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 02:39 AM PDT

    What was the most emotional moment you've ever had in either CK2 or CK3?

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 06:14 AM PDT

    Any moment of joy, sadness, anger, disbelief, shock, humor, or anything else these games made you feel? I know we all enjoy the obvious "Game for the Whole Family" memes, but what moment actually stuck with you?

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    Everytime my ruler dies

    Posted: 09 Oct 2021 04:20 PM PDT

    You know, in some ways I don't feel very good about what I'm about to do...

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 03:18 AM PDT

    As someone from scotland this brings me joy

    Posted: 09 Oct 2021 12:37 PM PDT

    Finished my first game! I started as king Alfonso of Leon in 1066.

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 01:19 AM PDT

    It just gets worse

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 07:18 AM PDT

    My 14 year old characters path to manhood, no surviving family members or court members

    Posted: 09 Oct 2021 09:54 PM PDT

    I've brought order to Europe... sorta

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 10:27 AM PDT

    They never expected it.

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 10:07 AM PDT

    "Maaaaybe you should stick to houseplants, Son"

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 03:51 AM PDT

    Isn't Perkele... A Finnish curse word?

    Posted: 10 Oct 2021 02:20 AM PDT

    English feudalism was much different from continental feudalism

    Posted: 09 Oct 2021 01:58 PM PDT

    I'd thought people would have some interesting knowing how different the English system was to the French-one (which is the closest to the model game follows). I'm not a historian by any means, so I might have made some mistakes, but I believe I got a decent understanding.

    Anglo-Saxon England itself was feudal in any meaningful sense, except maybe inclusion of serfdom if that's what you consider the definition of feudalism. Nor was it tribal... Rather the realm functioned as a federation, in which nobility (thanes) cooperated witnh the king out of mutual benefit, rather than feudal obligation. Thus far as the game is considered, it would be more accurate to depict Anglo-Saxon with the Clan-government in which levy contribution is based on opinion.

    Regardless, William the Conquer institutionalized radical reforms to create his own system inspired by the French flavor system. The Normans replace units of hides with larger units of manors and declared the principle of "no land without a lord". Under Anglo-Saxon system, any peasant could own a hide, but under manorialism, manors were only for the nobility and the clergy.

    Normans were paranoid about their vassals uprising, so instead of granting their vassals with a cluster of manors next to each other, which they could easily concreate their power and become de facto independent, they granted them scattered possessions all over the kingdom, thus internal division of 1100 AD England would have looked a lot of like that map of 14th-century Holy Roman Empire. The kings also forbade their vassals from fortifying their manors without royal permission, in contrast to the continental ways in which kings encouraged their vassals to build as many castles as they could.

    When a man received a manor, he became its lord, and if that manor was given by the king itself, that elevated the lord to the status of baron, thus baron wasn't just a title but a synonym for tenant-in-chief. Therefore, being a lord meant you were a lord, and being baron meant you answered directly to the king, and being lord without being a baron, meant your liege was not the king but another vassal, making you a sub-vassal. In that, barons would always be direct vassals of the king, and the vassals of an earl wouldn't be barons, but lords. Speaking of, of earls...

    In Anglo-Saxon England, earldoms had been important subdivisions, the king would recognize the most powerful thane of the ealdorman and appoint them as its ealdorman, trusting them the earldom's defenses and tax collection, but they still were not lords of the province and its thanes weren't their vassals. The Norman transformed ealdorman into completely titular. The titles of earls were rewarded to the barons (tenants-in-chief) and unlike in France, the title didn't give more vassals, expand their jurisdiction, nor anything else, merely nominal thing, the earl didn't even have to own any manors within his title.

    For most of the medieval period, England didn't even have dukes, the first dukedom being only in 1337, unlike the titular counties duchies were county palatines, meaning they came with a jurisdiction, much like in the continental system. There was only a handful of duchies, and most of realm, continued being ruled directly by barons and earls. During the 14th and 15th century they were generally restricted to the sons of the king, the only exception being Richard II, who granted them to his favorites, yet Richard II's ducal grants were almost immediately undone when he was deposed.

    So, with the complexity, I don't blame the devs for giving England the same system as France, I don't really even know you would depict them more properly, as counties being tied to the province is a core aspect of the game and depicting manors units would mean each county would have to be subdivided to about 500 manor units.

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    May I present, courtesy of centuries of dynastic wars: Long Burgundy

    Posted: 09 Oct 2021 03:30 PM PDT
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