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    Posted: 18 May 2021 08:04 PM PDT

    No plot can stay hidden from me, the one who is doing the plotting

    Posted: 19 May 2021 06:50 AM PDT

    Now I understand why Henry VIII went after the monasteries

    Posted: 19 May 2021 04:05 AM PDT

    The best kind of stress relief.

    Posted: 18 May 2021 10:23 PM PDT

    Ironic

    Posted: 18 May 2021 08:18 PM PDT

    All my Italian games end with me going orthodox to destroy the papacy

    Posted: 18 May 2021 07:33 PM PDT

    Hey Abbasids, you feeling alright?

    Posted: 19 May 2021 12:43 AM PDT

    Turns out I was the one being RP'd all along

    Posted: 19 May 2021 07:07 AM PDT

    It was absolutely most devastating thing to happen in the game for me

    Posted: 19 May 2021 10:12 AM PDT

    Ah yes, of course. The viking emperor who rose from nothing in Iceland as one of the last asatru characters, reformed the religion, concentrated the bloodline and conquered William The Conquerer will be remembered as "A shamless adulterer, he will be remembered for his treachery blablabla" (ironman)

    Posted: 19 May 2021 08:35 AM PDT

    [Teaser] The Great Steppe and 'interdict' mechanic for "Ecumene Divided" mod

    Posted: 19 May 2021 09:13 AM PDT

    So, this is how they cured cancer in mediaval ages

    Posted: 18 May 2021 10:40 PM PDT

    This must be the single worst bloodline ever. Definitely worth the effort

    Posted: 18 May 2021 09:05 PM PDT

    Ironic^2

    Posted: 19 May 2021 12:21 AM PDT

    I'm not calling you a liar, just don't lie to me.

    Posted: 19 May 2021 03:34 AM PDT

    Which waifu is the best?

    Posted: 19 May 2021 06:49 AM PDT

    Thank you steam

    Posted: 18 May 2021 03:43 PM PDT

    Hindustan / India gameplay is very cookie cutter but can be spiced up entirely to make for a very different gameplay.

    Posted: 19 May 2021 01:28 AM PDT

    Am currently in a Pallava play through and tbh the game retains its brilliance but the Indian (Buddhist, Hindu or Jain) flavour is utterly lacking, and even CK2 via Rajas of India barely added specific events from Indian culture, so I thought, why not make a list of a few such events. As a guide, the bold bits are ones where the game can have mechanics built around it.

    1) Coronation Ceremony - Called the Ritual consecration or Rajasuya ceremony, here the player before becoming a king or emperor has to identify a Brahmin (priest), then commission him to perform this ceremony. Game terms this could cost gold and gain piety with a severe malus for kings who have not had the consecration (sort of like the coronation mechanics in CK2).

    The event itself has flavour texts and small bad omen events, the process basically was the soon to be ruler woke up at the crack of dawn, took a ceremonial oil bath (imagine a bad luck event where he falls down on the oil), then proceeded to the area where the Yagna (fire ceremony) was being performed and with his wife (if of marriageable age) next to him performs the ceremony. This is followed by a donation to the priests and poor - the more is donated, more it is said the king gains Karma and also prestige. This typically was followed by 10 more rituals but for game play purposes this should suffice.

    Ps fun fact, the ceremonial throne (not the real one) was made of wood and grass.

    One important event though could be made into an interesting mechanic, this crowning though needed an assemblage of his key vassals + a hall of common people and farmers who officially needed to approve of him being a king (while in many cases this was a formality, there have been cases where a priest or vassal said no, and this caused some problems), this process was called the Raja Karta. If the soon to be ruler cannot get the consent of all, then he has to abdicate to his next in line (son mostly, if the soon to be ruler is young, then whoever is next in line)

    collecting of waters - If the soon to be ruler knows his father is dying or it is a planned succession (like it mostly was in India), an event can be triggered which allows for the collection of 17 types of liquids, of which 12 are various types of waters. If this fails or any is missing then the ceremony becomes impure with associated piety and opinion costs.

    If one was being crowned emperor though, a much higher (but similar) event called the Vajapeya was done.** In concept and execution they are similar though but I guess a king becoming emperor has to do the process all over again.** Though one brilliant game mechanic could evolve because one key ritual in the Vajpeya that was not there in the Rajasuya was the drinking of Soma ritualistically (drunken events galore) and the second was a chariot race

    2) Asvameda Yagna - This could replace the "crusades" mechanics which has no meaning in India as there never were wars of faith analogous to the crusades or Jihads.

    Broadly speaking A Horse is let loose, allowed to wander wherever, for 1 full year. If any vassal, enemy stops and claims the horse, it means he disputes the Imperial sovereignty of his lands, if it wanders unchecked it means he accepts Imperial authority. Am not sure how this can be worked into CK3 game play but this was a big part of Imperial rule in India.

    This though should have severe cost penalties as across history only some 10-12 emperors have known to have completed it successfully and only a handful did it unchecked. In the end when the horse comes back, it is sacrificed.

    3) Yearly prayers for ancestors - This held a lot of significance for Indians, it does to this very day (though it is fading slowly), the logic being if an extended ceremony is not done then your ancestors will not be propiated and will curse you with ill health or bad luck.

    4) Changing of caste Rulers often took charge as a non Kshatriya caste (by birth) and then if ** by gathering sufficient piety and gold** could authorise a Brahmin priest to redesignate their caste and also start a new blood line. The game could have interesting takes on this but like the Yashwameda maybe this should be a once in a lifetime or this could even be a once in a dynasty event.

    One more thing is I think Indian courts should reflect some of the Indian historical courts, and here some key players were,

    1) Head of the Army 2) Purohit (Priest) - usually this was for the life time of the king, this priest like in CK though played many roles including chief diplomat 3) Headman of the guilds in the kingdom(the chief merchant so to speak) 4) Chamberlain 5) King's personal charioteer (this in India was a very important position, the God Krishna himself was the charioteer for Arjuna the warrior), in later ages the kings used a chariot only for ceremonial purposes though but the role was important 6) Huntsman and keeper of the royal grounds 7) Royal courier (he carried a copy of the seal and relayed important vassals)

    One interesting character open to many mechanics would be a discarded wife (India didnt have the concept of a ritual divorce, but if the wife was barren or caught cheating and a bunch of other rules, the king had the right to leave her and marry another, these women usually lived on in the court) All this applies (in real life, variations of these did) to Sri Lanka, Buddhist and Jain kingdoms also

    2 more to close this write up -

    Abdication As per Hindu beliefs (even Jain and Buddhist rulers did this), a man had 4 phases, the 3rd of it being "Vanaprastham" or renunciation of wordly pleasures. From age 50-74 the Ruler could choose to renounce power and sit on the council offering assistance to his heir at age 74, they simply left worldly life and retired to the jungle.

    This system in principle was actually designed to stave off power struggles as one key reason and ensure stability of the realm.

    The final one could be the entire education / ward system

    Gurukul in ancient India, princes and sons of rich and powerful nobles and merchants studied in boarding schools called Gurukuls under a priest. The education though was secular, it involved study of Vedas, warfare, administration, governance, literature, astronomy and maths.

    Imagine in game the sons of 2-3 neighbouring kingdoms or empires studying together, there could be so many events, which could either form bonds of friendship or lifelong enmity

    In the Mahabarata for instance, the key antagonist, Duryodhana was actually a good, just and kind ruler, but he tortured his cousins, and this was the key to his downfall. What lead to the great war that decimated entire noble houses? Well, the incessant bullying by his cousin brother, Bheema. Basically one bully lead to the largest war in Indian mythology....that is how significant Gurukuls could be. Many stories (real and myth) also talk of unlikely players forming lifelong friendships, so that is another route.

    If a few of these can be implemented, the Subcontinental reigon will be entirely different.

    One thing though please if someone can even mod it in, like Byzantium, Primogeniture was in Indian systems even by 500 bce, and by 800 AD it was a firm system, so someone please give us this...having things like partition makes no sense in an Indian context unless it was Indian Muslim nobility who did have these issues on succession.

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    So I heard about Tales of Ireland today, and that got me thinking of some other mod ideas. Anyone interested in a post-apocalypse New England mod?

    Posted: 18 May 2021 10:29 PM PDT

    William the Conqueror's relationship to the French crown

    Posted: 19 May 2021 07:45 AM PDT

    Since this is a pivotal event at the most common start date in CK, I asked myself how did the French king react to Wiliam gaining the throne and the Duchy of Normandy leaving France but the answer was quite interesting.

    Since there were no real states at the time, everything was the relation between the king and his vassals (the duchies weren't "part of France" they had a subservient relationship to the *King of France*, not because those duchies were French but the king was their lords' liege).

    These relationships were fluid and not set in stone. Even though William as King of England wasn't subservient to anyone, he was subservient to the French king as the Duke of Normandy (even as he held the English crown).

    So it's like a vassal has his own top liege land while a part of his land is under a different kingdom De Jure. Idk how this can be represented ingame, though the concept of "De Jure territory" already is in the game as a claim.

    Idk if such relations required William to pay Normandy's taxes and levies to the French king or not, or if it was part of France just on paper.

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    Yeah okay

    Posted: 18 May 2021 11:38 PM PDT

    Finally reclaimed the HRE for the Karlings!

    Posted: 19 May 2021 12:17 AM PDT

    My super character made it to the ripe old age of 90 and he's still kickin

    Posted: 19 May 2021 10:45 AM PDT
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